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For Glassboy:  I originally mistyped "some" above as "somme".  Perhaps a Freudian slip?

I think you may just be going over the top with that one.

General Board / Re: Importing Swim lanes from Visio
« on: April 15, 2016, 07:11:58 am »
I don't think the erratic importing of Visio diagrams is really a problem of EA.  Visio is essentially a DTP tool not a modelling tool.  Anything imported needs to go through a guessing process as to what it is.  Often redoing the diagram is actually faster than importing and allows you to update as you go.

Personally, I view learning ArchiMate as like learning Latin (or Ancient Greek - of which I did both), it helps me better to understand and use my own language (principally English).  If I use (and I often do) use terms that are derived from Latin or Greek, then I better understand how to use them properly in English.

I'd like to agree, but I can't.  Many of the element names appear to be cognates for real world or even TOGAF or UML concepts but aren't.  How exactly does an application service or an infrastructure service tell us about the real world?

What I do find useful about modelling in Archimate is that it allows me to find an incomplete model.  Mind you that being said I've never seen anyone join up a top-down model with a bottom-up model without it all falling apart badly in the application layer.

there's a second setting that KP missed
Yeah, no I didn't. Doesn't work with shape scripts. At least, not in my version of EA (which is, admittedly, a development build and quite different to anything out in user land).

I'm fairly certain that it has been stated before that it doesn't work with shape scripts.

No, did not receive a response, but I think I've never received a response to feature requests.

The trick is to frame it as a potential bug :-)

"I can't select the link between an association and its related association class.  It's the only crooked thing on my diagram".  "You've logged me a feature request, thanks for that".

Bugs and Issues / Re: Performance issues after Oracle upgrade?
« on: April 14, 2016, 09:26:05 am »
The cloud service does run multiple queries concurrently, but in a LAN environment this will have minimal effect.

Unless each network connection is being authenticated.  Systems that do hundreds and thousands of small conversations are the bane of poorly performing authentication servers.  You can go from no apparent problem to hell very quickly.

I guess, ultimately, one could say I agree with you on ArchiMate.  We only really use it as a jumping off point to a more holistic modelling environment that encompasses some of the points you made - for example we're extending into BMM (and maybe EBMM).

Part of its utility for us is that more people "speak it" - though often not very well.  We provide them with a "Controlled Vocabulary" that leverages their language skills to produce more rigorous models.

The thing I notice about the LinkedIn Archimate forums is that that the majority of the answers given to people are wrong.  At a fundamental level, people don't understand the difference between behaviour and structure.  I'm not sure why it's always the first differentiation I make.

MOF, OWL, ArchiMate and IDEF5 are all languages that could be used to express ontologies. However, a class UML diagram can also be used to express an ontology.
Ontologies are not the languages used to express them. The languages are the means to an end, expressing an ontology.

I'd love to see you try and model a disjoint in Archimate :-)

Bugs and Issues / Re: Auto-hidden connectors
« on: April 13, 2016, 11:04:11 am »
Unfortunately, ArchiMate doesn't have the theory correct regarding embedding and Sparx's support of even that crippled theory is less than optimal,

Surely not! :-)

It could be a DFD-0 or a TOGAF solution overview or the Archimate introductory viewpoint.  Personally I favour DFDs and UML class models because they lend themselves better to other activities like OWASP application threat modelling.  You also can't take a knowledge model like BMM or EBMM, or any of the security frameworks and express it in Archimate.

There isn't really anything else you can do with a good Archimate model.  So in the end practising Archimate is just self-abuse.

Bugs and Issues / Re: Word hidden text
« on: April 13, 2016, 09:33:01 am »
Using Office 2013, it looks to me like the hidden text doesn't make it to the clipboard.

Yeah, what I was seeing was that the paste moved the cursor along as many characters as the hidden text and then it went back to the start of the line.  It seemed as if EA was saying nup I can't have this pasted but the text was actually in the clipboard.

I want to be clear, the Conceptual Level Model (I'm talking about) is NOT a Ontology.  In our case we have a separate Ontological Model.  The Conceptual View is the model of the real world.  It took me a decade of thinking and experimenting to finally "get it".  That the OTM and the the CIM were not the same thing.  They are INTIMATELY related, of course, but they aren't the same thing.

In most designs I'm looking for the conceptual model to be a Ontology-lite or an upper level domain model.  Most architects employed on projects are contractors and have to learn the business domain they're working in, often with no subject matter experts to draw upon for support.  The architectural governance process needs to include a method of determining whether the architect truly understands the business domain.  Having a conceptual model expressed before the logical model is part of this process.

General Board / Re: Synchronize model with ERWIN
« on: April 13, 2016, 09:23:25 am »
Hi Paolo,
Many thanks for the quick and detailed response.
I tried seeing if there was a song called "Hiding to Nowhere" so I could cue it as a backing track, but that search turned up nothing but reference to a line in a Muse song. Now that's a hiding to nowhere  :P

Is "hiding to nowhere" German idiom?  The more familiar English is "hiding to nothing", but the experts do note that nowhere has started to appear  Hiding, in this sense means beating, and I guess you're feeling beaten by this issue  :)

Bugs and Issues / Word hidden text
« on: April 11, 2016, 10:13:55 am »
Hi all, could someone try a little test for me.  In Microsoft Word have some text with the font effect setting "Hidden" checked.  Cut and paste the notes field of an element or package.

Does it actually paste?  Or does the cursor display at the end of a phantom something?

What did you think about my assertion that the Logical Model wasn't necessary?  Remember, in our model, the characteristics aren't simple types, they are semantic types (which when realised in a physical product) my be held in basic types.  When discussing with developers and DBAs, if the product has already been identified, we use the mapping from the conceptual to the physical.  If the product is still unknown, we use the detailed view of the conceptual.

One of my biggest achievements last week was getting a project team to admit that building stuff before we had any design or functional specification may lead to problems.  Both levels of modelling are necessary for me to drive a more mature environment.  It sounds like your output is a product, and so you can collapse together the conceptual and logical.

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