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EA 11 can't add a new element?
« on: May 30, 2014, 01:05:53 pm »
in EA 1105 and 1106.

using the project browser

I find I can't create a new element (an artifact) using either the project browser toolbar or the project browser package context menu.

Has anyone else observed this
(on W7 64bit, eap model)



« Last Edit: May 30, 2014, 02:13:10 pm by skiwi »
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Re: EA 11 can't add a new element?
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2014, 01:26:48 pm »
In fact it doesn't work from a diagram context menu (new element or connector) either the first time, you have to repeat the command a second time from the diagram and then you get your new artefact.

Deal breaker for me.
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Re: EA 11 can't add a new element?
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2014, 02:27:56 pm »
There is a fix ready. (And the answers to your next two questions are I don't know and I don't know.)
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Re: EA 11 can't add a new element?
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2014, 07:33:09 pm »
My question would be: what language are you using, skiwi? Sounds like Maori or something in the direction of Hawaii.

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Re: EA 11 can't add a new element?
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2014, 09:00:44 am »
On some toolboxes we currently have a menu for the different types of artifact offered by EA when creating them. Unfortunately this is preventing the creation of artifacts directly in the project browser.

As Neil has said, we have a fix ready, I expect it to be released soon. The workaround at the moment is to create a profile directly using the artifact type and select that as the toolset.
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Re: EA 11 can't add a new element?
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2014, 07:26:43 am »
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My question would be: what language are you using, skiwi? Sounds like Maori or something in the direction of Hawaii.
Yup, I use the M[ch257]ori keyboard to give me easy access to macronised vowels ([ch257][ch275][ch299][ch333][ch363]) used for one of our official languages (M[ch257]ori, English, NZ sign).

EA struggles with unicode, even in EA 11 I can't enter an [ch257] in a note field!
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Re: EA 11 can't add a new element?
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2014, 06:06:39 pm »
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My question would be: what language are you using, skiwi? Sounds like Maori or something in the direction of Hawaii.
Yup, I use the M[ch257]ori keyboard to give me easy access to macronised vowels ([ch257][ch275][ch299][ch333][ch363]) used for one of our official languages (M[ch257]ori, English, NZ sign).

EA struggles with unicode, even in EA 11 I can't enter an [ch257] in a note field!
I just copied the [ch257] in a notes field in EA11 and it was saved. In my case this char traveled from Safari on my Mac to the paste board and then via Parallels into EA on WinXP. I (seem to) know that MacOS mangels diacritic chars to be two different (the a and the bar). Didn't I mention that all those char codes are voodoo?

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Re: EA 11 can't add a new element?
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2014, 07:11:48 am »
Yes, I can copy [ch257] into a notes field, I just can't enter it from the keyboard (yet I can enter [ch257] into the name or short description!).

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Re: EA 11 can't add a new element?
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2014, 07:13:46 am »
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The workaround at the moment is to create a profile directly using the artifact type and select that as the toolset.

Thanks, although I'm not sure I understand the workaround.

Please tell us when it is released.
It also makes me wonder about the nature of the testing carried out.
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Re: EA 11 can't add a new element?
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2014, 08:44:41 am »
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Yes, I can copy [ch257] into a notes field, I just can't enter it from the keyboard (yet I can enter [ch257] into the name or short description!).
Exactly, it's not a problem handling unicode. It's a problem with the M[ch257]ori keyboard, and my information suggests that it only impacts M[ch257]ori keyboards.

The workaround. Define an MDG technology with a Toolbox profile containing UML::Artifact and deploy it. If you wanted to go that far you could define a toolbox that contains all the elements you create in the project browser most frequently. You then wouldn't need to search for the elements you want.

As for the quality of the testing, yes that was missed but compared to the scope of the new version there have been remarkably few issues.

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Re: EA 11 can't add a new element?
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2014, 09:56:37 am »
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It's a problem with the M[ch257]ori keyboard, and my information suggests that it only impacts M[ch257]ori keyboards.

What I see is that I can use a M[ch257]ori keyboard to enter a vowel with a macron into some fields e.g. name, stereo, alias, related->files->notes; but not other, e.g. notes or linked documents!

This makes me think its more of an app problem than a keyboard problem. YMMV
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Re: EA 11 can't add a new element?
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2014, 03:57:35 pm »
Just to be clear. The notes editor is not correctly handling the key sequences required on a M[ch257]ori keyboard to insert macrons. It handles similar combinations for other keyboard layouts. When I last tested it, I actually had a different problem. If the very first macro I typed after I enabled was entered into an EA notes window it corrupted that character. At one point after that it acted as if every character after that was a macron.

Having said that, I can't get it to fail in 1106 or 1107.

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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2014, 10:51:03 am »
Hijacking this thread a bit, but I though't I'd revisit a test I did for EA 8 to determine where characters with macrons were handled correctly.
I can confirm there were limited improvements.
But my contention is that in EA 1106 there are still things that are fundamentally flawed.
In the two illustration below wherever you see "aeiou AEIOU" I pasted in the characters "[ch257][ch275][ch299][ch333][ch363] [ch256][ch274][ch298][ch332][ch362]" (no hands, no keyboard entry).

In the process I discovered that copying and pasting (as new or link) strips macrons from entities in several cases.
Also check what including a diagram frame does. What follows is the source diagram frame.

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Re: EA 11 can't add a new element?
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2014, 02:30:43 pm »
Ah well. Sparx support told me promptly I did not have a Jet 4 database. Who knew!
I did have the Jetbet 4 switch on.

So having transferred from the Jet 3 to Jet 4 database, and on 1107, I find that macron characters are handled correctly in all my tests (carried out using paste as there are issues with the entry of characters with macrons from the m[ch257]ori keyboard).

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