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Re: Co-Exist EA 13 and 12.1?
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2016, 07:53:54 am »
Yeah roughly translated Aotearoa means land of the long wide cloud.  Māori is a more figurative language than English so it's an approximation of its constituent parts.

In point of fact as well as the katipō the Australian Redback has become naturalised in many places.  We also occasionally get some very nasty sea snakes washing up.

And yes you lot are in the West Island.  You need to read your Constitution Act :-)  (http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/cth/consol_act/coaca430/s6.html?stem=0&synonyms=0&query=new%20zealand)

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Re: Co-Exist EA 13 and 12.1?
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2016, 09:40:48 am »
Yeah roughly translated Aotearoa means land of the long wide cloud.  Māori is a more figurative language than English so it's an approximation of its constituent parts.

In point of fact as well as the katipō the Australian Redback has become naturalised in many places.  We also occasionally get some very nasty sea snakes washing up.

And yes you lot are in the West Island.  You need to read your Constitution Act :-)  (http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/cth/consol_act/coaca430/s6.html?stem=0&synonyms=0&query=new%20zealand)
Ah... The latter part explains why our capital is where it is... "Half" way between Sydney and Melbourne and "half" way between Perth and Wellington!   ;)

(Maybe they still thought NZ would come on board...)

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Re: Co-Exist EA 13 and 12.1?
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2016, 09:56:16 am »
I stand corrected (gee, this is contagious!).
And Glassboy has one less less thing to get upset about - HIS Long White Cloud isn't the smoke from one of our famous raging bush fires.
I knew about the Australian Sociable Huntsman spider getting established in Auckland after the producers of some version of 'Arachnophobia' saw fit to throw most of the cast members out into the street, but the Redbacks are news to me. OK, you have now earned the right to run in circles with your tee-shirt over your head, screaming loudly. Go ahead.
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Re: Co-Exist EA 13 and 12.1?
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2016, 11:49:32 am »
We also have Whitetail Spiders, wallabies, and of course the Brushtail Possum (which we club to death and pluck the fur from to blend with merino wool).  Nothing really cool like a Quokka tho'.

(Maybe they still thought NZ would come on board...)

Apparently it was the NZ troops going off to the Crimean War that gave the country a sense of patriotism which lead to NZ becoming a separate Dominion (prior to that NZ had been part of NSW).  The NZAFTA and then CER were meant to make reunification a moot point.  However in the last five years Australians seem to have been getting more rights in NZ and Kiwis less in Australia.  In many ways the border is pretty transparent.  Co-joined standards bodies etc.

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Re: Co-Exist EA 13 and 12.1?
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2016, 12:12:40 pm »
And, of course, overseas - everyone thinks the Aussie Flag is the New Zealand one...

Maybe we should heed W.C Fields' dictum:  "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again - then give up!  There's no use being a damn fool about the matter!"

And formally become the West Island.

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Re: Co-Exist EA 13 and 12.1?
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2016, 01:29:46 pm »
And, of course, overseas - everyone thinks the Aussie Flag is the New Zealand one...

One of the arguments in our recent flag referendum was that everyone thinks the NZ flag is the Australian one.  Australia didn't legally have that flag until 1954 whereas ours has been legal since 1902.  We should see it as what it really is; imitation as the sincerest form of flattery.

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Re: Co-Exist EA 13 and 12.1?
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2016, 04:42:51 pm »
Yeah roughly translated Aotearoa means land of the long wide cloud.  Māori is a more figurative language than English so it's an approximation of its constituent parts.
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VERY roughly speaking...  I can find no reference to long wide cloud on the interwebs.

Were you having us on?  I was intrigued because one of my hobby horses is correct pronounciation - the Americans talk about the innernet and the innerrstate and then you get emails and documents that read: innernet and innerstate.

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Re: Co-Exist EA 13 and 12.1?
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2016, 04:50:45 pm »
Sssshhhh! Don't mention Glassboy's errors. I mentioned them once, but I think I got away with it...
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Re: Co-Exist EA 13 and 12.1?
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2016, 07:18:09 pm »
.. about the innernet and the innerrstate and then you get emails and documents that read: innernet and innerstate.
Which means that Google alters spelling errors to different spelling errors? Does innerrstate mean the same as pubfaultcounty?

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Re: Co-Exist EA 13 and 12.1?
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2016, 08:20:16 am »
Sssshhhh! Don't mention Glassboy's errors. I mentioned them once, but I think I got away with it...

You received a cross against your name in the book of grudges, don't you worry :-)

I'm not sure what happened to my typing yesterday.  I was probably a bit distracted.

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Re: Co-Exist EA 13 and 12.1?
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2016, 09:10:08 am »
To answer the question before this thread got derailed.

If I am installing NOT into the EA directory, WHY is  the second EA messing with it in the first place?

The end result is still two different paths...

This isn't a result of us being upside down, wearing tight shorts, alcohol consumed or the dangers of Australia (I include Kylie Minogue and so called "Aussie Rules" in that category)

Windows installer sees these as two different versions of the same product. (Which they are)

It doesn't allow the same product to be installed twice, so part of the installation of the new version is uninstall of the old. This is all "normal" behavior of an installer. It's not hard to tell windows installer that it's a new version of the product. But there are negatives of that, including the API situation described by Paolo in another thread.

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Re: Co-Exist EA 13 and 12.1?
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2016, 09:37:00 am »
It doesn't allow the same product to be installed twice, so part of the installation of the new version is uninstall of the old. This is all "normal" behavior of an installer. It's not hard to tell windows installer that it's a new version of the product. But there are negatives of that, including the API situation described by Paolo in another thread.

To be more precise it won't allow two packages with the same Product Code to coexist.  The highest version code should be ascendant as logically it's an upgrade.  This isn't behaviour engineered into Windows for the home user; it's for people who have to deploy hundreds of applications to hundreds of thousands of clients.

If you really wanted you could download a copy of Orca and create a MST for the v13 beta which changed the Product Code and all the Component GUIDs and use the transform to do the install.  This isn't hard if you understand Windows installer.  (I could do it but I'd have to build myself a Windows machine at home to do it and I'd rather play with toy soldiers).

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Re: Co-Exist EA 13 and 12.1?
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2016, 04:01:52 pm »
To be more precise it won't allow two packages with the same Product Code to coexist.
To be more precise, it won't allow two packages with the same upgrade code to coexist. The product code can change, and best practice says that it should at least every time new files/apis etc are added.

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Re: Co-Exist EA 13 and 12.1?
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2016, 05:12:54 pm »
It might be a good idea to give the beta versions a different upgrade code then, so people can install a beta version alongside their "real" version.

As soon as it's out of beta it can be changed to the original one so it does an upgrade as per usual.

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Re: Co-Exist EA 13 and 12.1?
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2016, 05:18:23 pm »
It might be a good idea to give the beta versions a different upgrade code then, so people can install a beta version alongside their "real" version.

As soon as it's out of beta it can be changed to the original one so it does an upgrade as per usual.

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