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nicholas_yue

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Port to OS X?
« on: December 23, 2005, 04:42:38 pm »
Hi,

 I tried searching but didn't find any discussion on this topic.

 I purchase EA in the beginning of the year.

 I have found that I have more upcoming research work on the OS X platform.

 Rather than lug around an extra Windows notebook just for EA

 1. Are there plans for EA to run natively on OS X?
 2. Have anyone run it on OS X via other means (with reasonable performance)?

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Re: Port to OS X?
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2005, 12:11:07 pm »
I'm very sure there's no plan. EA is based on MS Access - that means: this is nailed to MS. You could use VirtualPC with the need for an additional Windows license :P

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Re: Port to OS X?
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2005, 06:38:09 pm »
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I'm very sure there's no plan. EA is based on MS Access - that means: this is nailed to MS. You could use VirtualPC with the need for an additional Windows license :P


Thank you for clearing that up.

At least I know what options are open to me.

I am curious though, wouldn't MS-Access be an implementation of an abstract persistent-storage interface, I am learning UML and can imagine the diagram but I suppose it's different from actual production code.

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« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2005, 05:03:58 am »
You're right, but reality is a bit different. Concrete data access using Jet is easier to implement than through an abstract approach. And we should keep in mind that Sparx had NO EA the time they implemented it. So forgive them for not being UML compliant in their development  ::)

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Re: Port to OS X?
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2005, 02:38:52 pm »
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You're right, but reality is a bit different. Concrete data access using Jet is easier to implement than through an abstract approach. And we should keep in mind that Sparx had NO EA the time they implemented it. So forgive them for not being UML compliant in their development  ::)

But they did have pencils, paper, whiteboards etc?

UML and true OO are a state of mind...

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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2005, 03:05:26 pm »
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But they did have pencils, paper, whiteboards etc?

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I hope so, but honestly speaking, I'm not quite sure sometimes ;D

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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2005, 04:55:04 pm »
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I hope so, but honestly speaking, I'm not quite sure sometimes ;D
You're spot-on there Thomas, just having the technology isn't enough...

You actually have to stand around and talk about it between you...  One project had 5 OO developers who built 5 monoliths, sometimes implementing the same sub-functionality in many different ways...

OO is a state of mind...

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Re: Port to OS X?
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2006, 10:05:06 pm »
I actually asked the same question directly to Sparx rather than through the forum about a year ago, and was told I was one of about 3 (from memory) requests ever. Maybe if all OSX users on these forums make themselves known!

As you said, very frustrating to need a windows machine for one application!

As for EA being implemented in Access, can't you store the model in Oracle as well if you are using the enterprise version, this must mean a database abstraction layer? From what I've seen of the table structure there isn't very much Access'isms.

I imagine what would be much harder is the OCX interfaces for the automation and document generation.

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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2006, 02:11:23 pm »
... and bits and pieces ... Natural Born Windowers :-/

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Re: Port to OS X?
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2006, 11:42:12 pm »
Guys  ???  you jest I'm sure

Microsoft Office for MacOx, does include Access... Ms claimed they made the platform usable at a roadshow recently...

Anyhows, you port it to Linux

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PS.  I think Sparx's is a bot Mac'ophobic

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Re: Port to OS X?
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2006, 02:44:05 pm »
Errr... MS Office for Mac doesn't include Access. I heard large chunks of Access was developed in Assembler which would make it about as portable as the Osborne-1...

If EA's based on Access I guess that pretty much rules out a Mac port. What a shame, I'd love to be able to run EA on our Macs. <sigh>

Virtual PC is too slow for major use. Still, with the advent of Intel-based Macs, I guess VPC is going to get a lot faster since there'll be no instruction translation/compilation. Let's hope that makes EA usable for those of us who are primarily Mac-based...

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Re: Port to OS X?
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2006, 07:17:10 am »
Hi'ya Bro....

I shall have to pay closer attention to the speaker at future roadshows.  In fairness, not all Office versions include Access on the Windows platform either.

Personnaly I would prefer a Web version.  But then I'd like a UML Virtual Machine and an Action Semantic profile.

AN ASIDE: ;D
Why would a user population, who can only master one button on their mouse; ever want a database?

Stay tough
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2006, 05:30:52 am »
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...AN ASIDE: ;D
Why would a user population, who can only master one button on their mouse; ever want a database?

Stay tough
Kevin

I use a "normal" wheel mouse with my Wacom tablet. However, my bluetooth Mac mouse looks nice aside ;)
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Re: Port to OS X?
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2006, 05:28:29 am »
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I'm very sure there's no plan. EA is based on MS Access - that means: this is nailed to MS. You could use VirtualPC with the need for an additional Windows license :P


That is so sad! I wonder who could possibly make a design decision like that when working with UML - it beats me completely - but that point has been made in other posts.

For me it's simple. I think this is a great product. I can use it at the customer site. I don't use windoze at home, so I'm not going to buy it, or recommend it to the client. I've been looking at other products that do UML well, and there aren't many that are this good, so I think that I'd like to get it - it is quite expensive, but if I could get it for that price on both my Mac and the MSdros machine at work, then it would be well worth it.

It's a pity, really, as I have to decide what tool actually to use for the process design that I'll be doing over the next few months and this is a tool that I was recommended, and I like. All for a silly design mistake - it makes the point of the usefulness of open design and UML rather strongly, though, if you don't mind the irony!


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Re: Port to OS X?
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2006, 05:43:52 am »
Hi,

just out of curiousity, you think EA is quite expensive? What other tools with remotely similar feature set have you seen at lower price?

Bruno

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That is so sad! I wonder who could possibly make a design decision like that when working with UML - it beats me completely - but that point has been made in other posts.

For me it's simple. I think this is a great product. I can use it at the customer site. I don't use windoze at home, so I'm not going to buy it, or recommend it to the client. I've been looking at other products that do UML well, and there aren't many that are this good, so I think that I'd like to get it - it is quite expensive, but if I could get it for that price on both my Mac and the MSdros machine at work, then it would be well worth it.

It's a pity, really, as I have to decide what tool actually to use for the process design that I'll be doing over the next few months and this is a tool that I was recommended, and I like. All for a silly design mistake - it makes the point of the usefulness of open design and UML rather strongly, though, if you don't mind the irony!