Author Topic: a newbie question in Business analysis (Read 9432 times)

Ahmed_Adly · « **on:** May 15, 2005, 09:28:46 am »

hi all im just a newbie in the business analysis and i need some advices to help me to walk through this field .......

i need some advices about what i need to know and from where ...

- do i need to read about uml or something else ?

- is there any different between system analysis and business analysis ?

- im working as a senior web developer in an IT company and i need to make some good analysis 4 my customers before developing their applications what kind off analysis do i need to learn .. if there any kinds at all

im really appreciate any response

thx all alot

alexander · « **Reply #1 on:** May 16, 2005, 02:47:26 pm »

business analysis diagramas are often an extension to UML, Sparx has a public pdf in the main page, here is the link:

http://www.sparxsystems.com.au/WhitePapers/The_Business_Process_Model.pdf

it should give you a place to start from

thomaskilian · « **Reply #2 on:** May 17, 2005, 03:15:22 am »

Also search this forum and Google by the keywords "Eriksson Penker".

Ahmed_Adly · « **Reply #3 on:** May 17, 2005, 11:19:37 pm »

thx alot guys

the links was really helpful

now i have another question

as i could understand from the quick navigation of the provided links that the busniess process modeling is the base of software design and architect ... so

must i have good knowledge base about system analysis to be able to design good software systems ?

sorrt 4 being pussy

regards
Ahemd

mikewhit · « **Reply #4 on:** May 18, 2005, 12:00:30 am »

Incidentally, I think the word "newbie" should be banned from post subjects in ALL forums (everywhere!) - because it is irrelevant to the question, and in fact distracts from it.
There is then a tendency to think "this guy hasn't been bothered to read up, why else would he use that term".

If you don't know, you don't know ! I'm sure even our Gurus^TM will say they have had to ask seemingly obvious questions from time to time, I know I have.

No disrespect, Ahmed !
(PS. use the Preview more ! Who is this 'girl thingy' to which you refer ? Angelina ? Kylie ? Gwen ?? We need to know.)

thomaskilian · « **Reply #5 on:** May 18, 2005, 12:56:42 am »

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must i have good knowledge base about system analysis to be able to design good software systems ?
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The simple answer is: yes. If you don't know what's the purpose of your system, it's not likely to fail. It's for sure.

What it a tree without roots?

OTOH you can design a brilliant system - without any use. Maybe we will see times when artists are judged for the software they designed. Useless artifacts, but sooo nice.

mikewhit · « **Reply #6 on:** May 18, 2005, 02:11:25 am »

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Maybe we will see times when artists are judged for the software they designed. Useless artifacts, but sooo nice.

In fact - Der Glasperlenspieler, though I expect Thomas himself is more of a Perlenspieler.

thomaskilian · « **Reply #7 on:** May 18, 2005, 02:42:09 am »

Steppenwolf is alive

sargasso · « **Reply #8 on:** May 18, 2005, 11:58:33 pm »

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Steppenwolf is alive

and a pretty good R&B band

thomaskilian · « **Reply #9 on:** May 19, 2005, 04:14:30 am »

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and a pretty good R&B band

Doing Research&Business analysis

mikewhit · « **Reply #10 on:** May 20, 2005, 12:30:09 am »

Couldn't some modern writer do a novel about the metaphysical angst of a UML modeller, with allegories to the systems he/she is modelling and metamodels that had to be created ...

Oh, sorry, I just woke up, and it was all a dream.

thomaskilian · « **Reply #11 on:** May 20, 2005, 01:44:31 am »

This metaphysical novel has already started. Some recent posts of Paolo and Bruce (here) are actually ment to be scenes of a drama

(Just kidding. I'm not open minded enough at the moment to join that kind of discussion

)

Ahmed_Adly · « **Reply #12 on:** May 21, 2005, 11:45:05 pm »

hi all
thx alot 4 reply
the word "girl thingy" is a spilling mistake ... i wated to say pushy

also dear mikewhit i ve spent a time to read and search ... i just wanted some advices from some experts

thx alot (F)

Kevin Brennan · « **Reply #13 on:** May 24, 2005, 07:34:04 am »

OK, more seriously, I can help but I'd need to know a lot more about what you are looking to know.

A couple of quick things: the terms "business analysis" and "systems analysis" are relatively interchangable, at least in my neck of the woods. A "systems analyst" is more likely to have some programming skills and be oriented towards development.

Ahmed_Adly · « **Reply #14 on:** May 25, 2005, 12:53:36 am »

thx alot Kevin

your post was helpful for me

my main target now is to be able to design powerful , easy to use software solutions to support my client's business

so if there any book titles or web site (4 tutorialas) as a reference in this topic it will be very helpful

also when i tried to design some software solution for a client i have faced a series problem ...

it was that this client doesn't have a clear workflow cicle or hierarchy for the organization chart (hope this to be clear)

so i had to read more about analysis in general

then i have read in the earlier posted link that the business analysis in the overall layer of software design (is it true ?)

which means that when you need to design good software for some enterprize ... you have to support this software with good analysis to the customer needs, resources ... etc
and if the client doesn't have a clear workflow you have to help him to have a one

so my requests is :

any good reference about software design and how to start

any correction about the idea of the relation between business analysis and software design if my idea is not correct

any helpfull business analysis reference

Best regards
Ahmed

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