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Problems with Sparx partners
« on: November 13, 2006, 01:50:40 pm »
Hi Everybody,

Let me share my concern about EA future. I'm using EA for 3 years, recently moved to new company and, of course, suggested to buy EA. My manager reviewed features, saw demo and asked me to arrange presentation to other managers and technical leads. Presentation performed by the vendor representative. "No problem" I replied. Reality showed that I had been mistaken.

In Poland there are 3 official representatives. First one answered that they do not held presentations, and regarding to Java projects they usually recommend Visual Paradigm (sic!). Second  said he will call back. He didn't. Third one replied that they do not provide free presentations. I can order presentation for 2000 zl (about $650), 50% paid in advance!

Dear Sparx partners. Presentation is very conventional and usual request in medium and big companies. Trials and features list on webpage will convince developers, but to buy license it's necessary to convince managers. I know that presentations itself are not profitable, but without it we'll not buy licence and will not order trainings! One of the partnes said that "pay for presentation" is an official Sparx statement. It is really true?

It's not sufficient to have good products. If you will make your customers unsatisfied - you'll lost everything. IT market history is full of good products lost in competition with worse ones.

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Re: Problems with Sparx partners
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2006, 05:48:22 pm »
Hi,

first of all let me say that, having been at the customer end of things for a long time I agree with you that presentations are something (prospective) customers have learned to expect as a given.
This is one aspect where the low price of EA may seem counter-productive. I am not trying to justify the attitude of the resellers with which you have dealt, however you need to realize that there is not much money to be made out of selling EA alone. Given the low price of EA, the margin a reseller makes is not a large amount - in fact, if you bought, say, 20 licences of Professional edition, the money reseller would make would probably cover the travel expenses to visit your offices, but would probably not cover the cost of the time of reseller's staff giving the presentation.
Also given that there is no geographical exclusivity, one could easily ask a reseller for a presentation - and then buy the licences from another reseller (there are some that offer a bit of a discount, coming off their margin).
Also, it is (or used to be, not sure whether this has changed in any way) extremely easy for anyone to become a reseller. In fact, given the nature of the tool, my guess is that majority of resellers will be small companies, many of them one-man-shops. The overhead associated with the sales efforts would be unpleasant for a larger company, but simply impossible for a smaller shop.

Sparx with their pricing structure (and given the customizability and flexibility of the tool) is clearly aiming for large volume of sales - and the high number of sold licences is a good indication that they are succeeding. Comparison to MS Office is not entirely correct, but not all that incorrect either. You are not likely to get a presentation of MS Office - even though MS Office will likely cost you more than EA.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly - it is extremely difficult to present a tool like EA, especially to an audience that does not use CASE tools on a daily basis (such as management). The audience is likely not to distinguish between the tool and UML in general, between what the tool can do and how can the company use it.
It is also unlikely that a reseller who is not familiar with your specific requirements would be able to do an effective presentation of a tool as feature-rich as EA.

To be entirely fair, Sparx Systems does provide a 30-day evaluation version as well as a quite a bit of reading (not great, but not bad either).
Personally, I am glad Sparx focuses on what they do well (i.e. building great CASE tool) and not on efforts that would only increase the overhead - as that would inevitably mean that EA would become more expensive.

Having said all that, I do see very frequently that EA's low price backfires a little, especially in the corporate environment - EA is often not taken seriously enough. The lack of quality pre-sales and post-sales support is of course an issue - but at the end of the day it is about the balance between what you get and what you pay for it.

Bruno


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Hi Everybody,
 
Let me share my concern about EA future. I'm using EA for 3 years, recently moved to new company and, of course, suggested to buy EA. My manager reviewed features, saw demo and asked me to arrange presentation to other managers and technical leads. Presentation performed by the vendor representative. "No problem" I replied. Reality showed that I had been mistaken.
 
In Poland there are 3 official representatives. First one answered that they do not held presentations, and regarding to Java projects they usually recommend Visual Paradigm (sic!). Second  said he will call back. He didn't. Third one replied that they do not provide free presentations. I can order presentation for 2000 zl (about $650), 50% paid in advance!
 
Dear Sparx partners. Presentation is very conventional and usual request in medium and big companies. Trials and features list on webpage will convince developers, but to buy license it's necessary to convince managers. I know that presentations itself are not profitable, but without it we'll not buy licence and will not order trainings! One of the partnes said that "pay for presentation" is an official Sparx statement. It is really true?
 
It's not sufficient to have good products. If you will make your customers unsatisfied - you'll lost everything. IT market history is full of good products lost in competition with worse ones.


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Re: Problems with Sparx partners
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2006, 09:43:23 pm »
Hi Pjachowi,

It is true that the pricing model for EA does not lend itself to the traditional presentations/demos given by sales reps- though Sparx partners and resellers will have their own policies in this regard. We appreciate this can be a problem and are currently working on some lengthy online demos that introduce EA and its value proposition - expanding the set of demo material already online here: http://www.sparxsystems.com/resources/demos/index.html. When these become available we would certainly appreciate any feedback and suggestions you might have.

Regarding the some of the specific points of concern you raised, we will follow-up with you directly via email.

Best Regards,

Sparx Marketing

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Re: Problems with Sparx partners
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2006, 01:18:27 am »
I would have thought that even a "You Tube" type video demo which could be used throughout a particular language block would be preferable to nothing.

Or perhaps a demo in a conference centre where several potential EA corporate clients could be demo-ed to and given a buffet lunch - maybe invite a couple of already satisfied customers too, to spread the joy ...
This then reduces the cost per would-be client for the reseller.

Presumably the resellers offer a (say) two-week consultancy package (where they can recoup costs) to give users a quick start. And perhaps even specialise themselves in producing stock models/deployment packages.

That would be akin to the Open Source model where companies make money by offering support and configuration services rather than by margin on shrink-wrap.

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Re: Problems with Sparx partners
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2006, 11:10:47 am »
I have been in the (tedious) process of creating an EA demo with Camtasia (plus voiceover) for a while. I feel funny telling you how to do it, as I haven't been able to focus on it for several weeks (there is no money in it for me, I'm just trying to influence colleagues).

In practice, someone at Sparx could run their normal demo, and capture the screen via Camtasia. If you have a microphone, that and the software is all you'll need.

The only new thing that you will have to do is segment the presentation so that your demo guy can concentrate on doing small segments *perfectly*. You do only one segment at a time, take a break, and practice the next segment.

You might want to actually transcribe the presentation into a script. That sounds like overkill, but you will be surprised how things that are fine in front of a live audience don't cut it on video.

Segmenting and scripting, you will avoid having to do a thousand takes. Unless you have some hottie marketing babe that you absolutely must show off, don't try to do any talking head stuff (except perhaps during the intro and summary). It is a lot harder than it looks.

When you have all your video segments, there are inexpensive and easy packages to put all the segments back together. Just get one fo the consumer-level packages (Sony Vegas, perhaps), edit the clips, and add titles, and perhaps intro and end title music (generated to avoid copyright problems).

Your product sells itself. Just get it out there.


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Re: Problems with Sparx partners
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2006, 08:09:41 am »
Another option is for Sparx to provide a set of Powerpoint presentations, so the potential customer can customise and present themselves.

Now I know 'Death by Powerpoint is a problem', but managers holding the purse strings still love them ;-)

Martin