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Public feature/bug voter/tracker?
« on: February 15, 2016, 11:33:26 pm »
Hi all,


This one's mainly for the community, but I'm posting it here because this is where the action is.

For your "amusement": https://www.assembla.com/spaces/enterprise-architect/tickets
This was new to me... And should in my opinion be deleted. That's not the main point of this post, however.

I think a public tracker for feature requests, and possibly (but not necessarily!) bugs would be a very useful thing. It should include status and a voting system, and be open enough that people could contribute, but structured and moderated so things are kept relevant. A forum such as the one Sparx supplies here works for issue discussion, but not for the other things.

I've thought about suggesting something like this for the user group, or possibly the community site. If we, the enthusiasts and professionals, put some weight behind it as a collective, it could work. But Sparx would have to approve of the concept, and of the process involved.

Thomas' initiative above failed, I think, because it didn't set up a playing field beforehand. The tickets contain quoted e-mails between Thomas and Sparx, but in them there's no mention (that I've found) of Assembla -- meaning Sparx were likely unaware that their messages were being published.

This is why I think the whole thing should be deleted. It's not active and serves no useful purpose, but more to the point I think it crossed a line in terms of trust. Unless of course Sparx were aware of the Assembla tickets, I may be completely wrong about that.

But assuming I'm right, trust is important. If Sparx are not willing to make public commitments regarding schedule etc, we can't force them and we shouldn't try. Instead, we should engage with them in a constructive fashion and try to make them see things our way. But public disclosure of private e-mails without prior approval can be considered a breach of trust and is therefore not a constructive way forward -- you don't engage with someone you don't trust.

Ultimately, we must remember that the relationship between us and Sparx is one of customer -- supplier. If we want them to be a more open supplier, with a published roadmap and public issue tracking and so forth, we the community must rise above the level of enthusiasts and tinkerers. To get a pro supplier, you must be a pro client.

So. Question.

Would Sparx be interested in a public feature request system, with users able to contribute suggestions and vote on them, and Sparx able to add things like planning status (eg "next minor", "next major")?

Would we the community be interested in using and promoting such a system?

If the answer to both is yes, then I could donate some server space to host it and serve as the moderator. I would suggest setting up a six-to-twelve month trial run (enough time to last past the next major release), and then evaluate it and see how well it works.

This idea has been rumbling around the back of my skull for some time as I say, but it's not fully fleshed out. So if there's some interest from both parties I'll put in some more thinking, and obviously any thoughts and suggestions are welcome.

But if Sparx doesn't want this, and I fully understand it if they don't, it won't happen.


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Re: Public feature/bug voter/tracker?
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2016, 01:51:32 am »
Hi Uffe,

I think it's a very good and constructive idea.
I hope Sparx will be equally enthusiastic

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Re: Public feature/bug voter/tracker?
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2016, 07:57:05 am »
To clarify this a bit. The Assembla tracker was set up be me for myself to track bug reports which else would have simple drowned in some mailboxes. Finding the relevant info for a bug was a PITA. Why did I put it there? Because we asked Sparx N+1 times to provide some bug tracker (go figure by combing the forum history). As everybody knows, there is no bug tracker. Maybe they have some internal tool (no idea and will not speculate). I probably mentioned this page in the past once or twice.

So what do I think about this initiative? Well, as much as for building a bridge to the moon to get there by car.

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Re: Public feature/bug voter/tracker?
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2016, 08:09:22 am »
Given the number of people that ask where the changelog\patch notes are, I'd say there was quite a demand for people wanting to know if their bugs are fixed.

Anna Pickard of SlackHQ gave a great talk at this year's webstock about writing about bugfixes and improvements (video not up yet) http://www.webstock.org.nz/16/programme/presentations/#pickard

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Re: Public feature/bug voter/tracker?
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2016, 02:15:29 pm »
wot he said
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Re: Public feature/bug voter/tracker?
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2016, 06:39:26 pm »
wot he said
wot hu said?

Which of the above?

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Re: Public feature/bug voter/tracker?
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2016, 06:51:03 am »
wot he said
wot hu said?

Which of the above?

Paolo
that would be Uffe, Geert, qwerty, and  Glassboy.


I know we have mentioned this a few times in the past (he says deprecatingly),
but maybe a community effort where we
  • use a tool such as this to post all feature requests (with their Sparx number) we make to Sparx
  • note where such features are partially or fully released
  • allow others to judge the responsiveness of Sparx
  • support the feature request by also requesting it from Sparx (how this helps them with the additional work processing these requests when a voting and commenting system would seem to be lower overhead is beyond me)
  • shame Sparx into supplying such a feature their their community themselves
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Re: Public feature/bug voter/tracker?
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2016, 07:16:53 am »
Others (i.e. Apple) have the same policy. There is a bug tracker, but you only get numbers out of it. So users did set up their own Radar site to track bugs publicly. There's a big community and quite some bugs travel into both systems. But of course not all of them.

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