Dependencies in Gantt View

[timoc]

Hi,

Background: I want to use Gantt charts to visualise the dependency relationship between Tasks. I cannot find where i set/choose the dependency relationship to show. Gantt charts (and Construct->Task Management ribbon actions) only work with 'Tasked elements'. I am coining the term 'Tasked elements' here, they are defined by EA as any elements or packages that have resources allocated to them.

Setup:
created a package, and in the package i have diagram and three Tasked elements.
show package as a gantt chart from project browser - it shows the elements with resources allocated,
set up a dependency relationship between two of task elements in the diagram.
I refresh the Gantt chart but the dependency does not show up.

What am i missing?

Tim.
For searchers on 'tasks'- Task elements should not to be confused with an element's Tasks, which are defined as a maintenance Items properties of an element.

[Geert Bellekens]

What am i missing?

A project management tool.

No seriously, EA is a modelling tool. You can use it to do project management, emailing, instant messaging, testing, coding, .... all but making coffee; but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.

Geert

[timoc]

What am i missing?

A project management tool.

No seriously, EA is a modelling tool. You can use it to do project management, emailing, instant messaging, testing, coding, .... all but making coffee; but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.

Geert

Model driven, or at least model repository related effort estimation. I want to visualise dependencies between roadmap/model packages across time.  Gantt charts are designed for this, it seems reasonable to assume that, because EA all about making relationships, they should be visible as gantt dependencies, otherwise why have gantt as a generic package view?

As for the coffee machine metaphor - I feel that i understand your perspective, but from my perspective, if i buy a product that says it has been builfing in Project Management features for 12 or more years, i kind of expect them to work, or at least be usefull
"Mar 1, 2007 - Enterprise Architect allows you track model tasks against individual resources and against the project as a whole. ... The built-in Project Calendar allows you to define and track important events, milestones and meetings directly within the modeling environment."

Is your experience that everyone turns these features off?

[qwerty]

Sales persons are great in praising even the worst features as the best thing you ever have seen.

q.

[Geert Bellekens]

Is your experience that everyone turns these features off?

Yes, I've never met a client who actually uses any of these type of features.
We even once did a raise of hands on one of the EA User Group conferences to see who uses things like project management in EA.
I did not see any hands

Geert

[Ian Mitchell]

I agree with all of the above.
The core of Sparx remains a world-class (probably THE world class) modelling tool, but let's not join the madness and call it a PM tool - Sparx probably use for this themselves, but that doesn't mean the rest of us need to. We live in a world where PMs have PM tools, financial people have financial tools, and we have EA, because we're modellers.
BTW - I was the one who asked the EA User Group in Utrecht in February 2014 'who is using the PM tools in EA', and, like Geert, I counted the hands.
Twice.
Zero both times, from a sample of ~120.

[timoc]

Gents, that is very interesting, but not helpful. 
Buyer beware and all that, but it is a feature that i want to use, or at least make useful.

I am not a project manager, and have no interest in becoming one, but as a visualization Gantt is the best stakeholder communication view for dependencies and effort (think architecture capability planning), as they can understand Gantt charts and discuss the implications alongside supporting abstract Archimate models.