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New Beta
« on: June 03, 2016, 08:09:08 pm »
Before downloading that: can I turn of those ribbons? They were already a crippled concept in various Windoze applications. I definitely do not want to see them anywhere. Especially not in EA.

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Re: New Beta
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2016, 08:42:09 pm »
Says it's enabled by default on new installations, and there's a link to this help page.

So presumably it's disablable, and perhaps not even enabled by default in an upgraded installation.

Mind you, it is a beta, so perhaps the disablability is not yet implemented. Maybe they've yet to enable disablability.

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Re: New Beta
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2016, 11:07:27 pm »
The Great Menu Confusion XIII

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Re: New Beta
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2016, 03:24:45 pm »
Well had my first spin of V13 Beta.
First impressions are it will be easier to persuade people to use it.
Yes changing the menus to ribbons does mean us old timers have to once again re-learn where stuff is but I think its a positive step in the right direction. After all over the years a lot of people have been saying the menu's need revamping so here we have it.
I also like the new kanban diagram additions think they'll prove to be useful in the future.
Had a crash on my Apple Mac using Wine but other than than not bad.
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Re: New Beta
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2016, 04:36:00 am »
It likely depends. I never found ribbons very helpful. Not to say, they help increasing confusion by stacking an overwhelming lot of information in a band that reduces otherwise better usable space on the monitor. You probably need to be quite Mickeysoft-ish to find that usable. Oh well.

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Re: New Beta
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2016, 09:54:22 am »
It likely depends. I never found ribbons very helpful. Not to say, they help increasing confusion by stacking an overwhelming lot of information in a band that reduces otherwise better usable space on the monitor. You probably need to be quite Mickeysoft-ish to find that usable. Oh well.

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Give it a try. I've personally spoken to a number of people who were strongly against them but have found that our implementation is actually an improvement over the menu. The number is even higher for those I've heard about second hand.

You can also minimize the ribbon so it takes up less space.
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Re: New Beta
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2016, 10:33:51 am »
Had a crash on my Apple Mac using Wine but other than than not bad.
Hey, we haven't been able to reproduce a crash on mac so far.

If you wouldn't mind, could you please provide to support your OS and Wine versions along with what you were trying to do?
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Re: New Beta
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2016, 03:33:43 pm »
Sooner or later there's probably no way around. Probably it's a bit like having the choice between eating insects and starving (though I have been told that insects can be tasty).

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Re: New Beta
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2016, 03:42:25 pm »
Nope. Just downloaded it. This ribbon just wastes 10% of my monitor showing tons of stuff I'm never gonna use. How can I turn it off, please?

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Re: New Beta
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2016, 05:03:51 pm »
As Simon M commented earlier, you can Minimize the ribbon so that it takes up less space.

See under "Minimizing the Ribbon Bar":
http://www.sparxsystems.com/enterprise_architect_user_guide/13.0/the_user_interface/ribbons.html

I've also noticed you can just double-click any of the ribbon tabs to easily toggle this option as well.

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Re: New Beta
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2016, 06:36:57 pm »
Thanks Aaron. I might come along with them minimized. Of course i'm already looking forward to The Great Menu Confusion XIV ;-)

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Re: New Beta
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2016, 07:58:10 am »
It would be most helpful to have a cross reference where to find the old menu positions in the new clutter. This will definitely drive me crazy for a while. I have a big urge for a new rant.

In short: where is export reference data? (more to come if there's no cross reference)

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Re: New Beta
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2016, 09:23:43 am »
Sooner or later there's probably no way around. Probably it's a bit like having the choice between eating insects and starving (though I have been told that insects can be tasty).

You eat insects all the time, you're just not aware of it.  And yes many of the bigger insects can be quite tasty.

I was initially skeptical of the ribbon when it was introduced to Office but a few years on it feels fair more logical and natural than the menus ever did.

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Re: New Beta
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2016, 01:49:30 pm »
Can somebody direct me where to get the 13 from please?

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Re: New Beta
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2016, 03:00:52 pm »
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